the Bible has taught us that it's wrong...that it's a sin.
And if it truly is a sin, like we believe,
than why do we treat same sex-couples so...horrendously ?
We often say “hate the sin, love the sinner”,
but I think we go about the wrong way of doing that.
The bible tells us to love our enemies, but I think
we tend to disregard the fact.
If you steal from me, and I steal from you, then we're both sinners,
but we forgive and forget, and transform into winners.
Why can't we do the same for the man who marries his husband,
or the woman who ends the life of her unborn child?
We often say, “Hate the sin, and love the sinner”
But I think what you mean is, “Hate the sin, and hate the sinner.”
But according to your logic, we should be hating one another.
When did the bible become a pick-and-chose deal?
You say the Old Testament, but Jesus came and changed,
what that was about, and retaught us how to behave.
He fought for the sinners, the blind and the lame,
he fought for the outcast, the minorities and the shamed.
But hypocrites, I tell you, you've become the majority,
and with every word you speak, you nail the hands of Authority
To the wooden cross, to hang and stay,
and die a painful death in three days.
And since Christ has not come back, He works through us,
and through Him we must spread His joy and love.
Don't call yourself Christians if you cannot do that,
because Jesus loved the sinners, I’m sure of that.
But call yourself Christians, if you can love like me,
and we'll accept that we're all sinner and that's how it will be.
My teachers often said, “All suffering is the same in the eyes of God.”
So we're in this together, no matter the race, or orientation or anything odd.
Behold, the Kingdom of God is here with us here; hidden in plain sight, a jewel on Earth,
and as brothers in sisters, we'll indulge in it's mirth.
We are children of God, open your eyes don't you see,
so do not call yourself a Christian if you cannot agree with me.
so do not call yourself a Christian if you cannot agree with me."
What I mean is if you cannot agree that we're all Children of God, than you can't call yourself a Christian, you just can't. Face it, if in Christ, a gay man, a lesbian woman, they're your brothers in sisters. If you're going to put your ferocity in how much you hate them, than why not put that same ferocity in your love for them.
A couple of videos that inspired my poem :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKDCCF… -> Prince of Egypt
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pLCDn… Hunchback of Notre Dame
Even if you're not religious, I recommend you watching them both, but more importantly, the 2nd link. That was the inspiration for this mostly.
As usual, this poem consist of many voices. Whether you believe that being gay, bi, trans, lesbian , or having an abortion is a sin, than that's your opinion. I don't think being gay is a sin.
Tell me what you think, please be respectful.
We are all made in God's image, regardless of what we do with that image. In the Ten Commandments, we are instructed to "love our neighbor as we love ourselves."
Those Scriptures, among others, teach us that everyone, regardless of their behavior, should be treated with courtesy, dignity, and respect. Anything less is not truly being "loving."
As a Christian, who is commanded (by God, through Scriptures like 2 Timothy 2:15) to study the Bible and learn from it, I am commanded to behave kindly toward everyone -- regardless of their behavior, or their sins. They are still a fellow human being.
Just because I am not tempted by a particular sin does not make me any better than they are. I have plenty of shortcomings, and I sometimes fail to resist temptations. I have no just cause to be proud, or "look down" on another human being.
It is unfortunate that so many people fail to truly love the sinner, while still hating sins.
To this extent, I agree with what you have written. I do call myself a Christian -- even though I cannot follow Scripture and still agree with all of your assertions.
It's like when someone has cancer. Hating the disease is fine, but hating the patient is -never- acceptable. The patient needs help, and that help should be provided without insults. Behaving kindly toward them, without helping to treat their cancer, wouldn't truly be loving... would it?
We all struggle with weaknesses and temptations. However, if we try to pretend that surrendering to a temptation is somehow "okay," then we're doing both ourselves, and others, a disservice.
Another example: someone inclined to steal should be treated well, although with the understanding that they have behavior issues. Don't leave valuables lying in plain view or easily accessible, if you know that you're dealing with someone who's struggling with temptations toward behaving as a thief. Tempting them toward more sin isn't kind... or wise.
It's possible to be tolerant of others, and even loving toward them, without embracing their errors. It may be difficult at first, but it grows easier with time. There are some wonderful people out there, who have weaknesses toward very visible sins. However, less visible sins are equally wrong.
Either one believes the Bible, or one does not. Picking and choosing parts to follow, and other parts to throw out, is not true Christianity, either.
Agreed that hate is a sin. However, if one reads the Bible, one cannot ignore Scriptures like Romans 1:27 that specify homosexuality is a sin.
The word "Christian" means "Christ-like." He associated with all manner of sinners, without being unkind to any of them. On the other hand, He neither encouraged nor condoned their sins. He treated them well, while also discouraging their misdeeds.
The tragedy with most homosexuals, either male or female, is that they too often place their entire identity into their inclination to be romantically / sexually involved with their own gender. Few among them seem to think of themselves as artists, or writers, or whatever job they do, or in connection with other interests they have (stamp collector, sports enthusiast, movie fan, martial artist, etc).
Too many people ignore everything else that goes into making them who they are, and fall into the bad habit of identifying themselves merely according to their "preference" with respect to romance / sexuality. They forget that they are human beings first, and that their homosexual inclinations are only secondary to their humanity.
Unfortunately, many who are -not- of those inclinations accept that severely limited definition, also. They forget that there's a whole lot more that goes into making a person who they are than merely their inclinations when it comes to romance / sexuality.
The result of this double-edged limited thinking is that when someone says that "homosexuality is a sin," those who practice that behavior feel attacked in their identity. They overlook the possibility that the person making that statement -might- only be down on that one single aspect of their behavior... instead of being down on them as an individual human being.
I have friends who are homosexual. I don't bring it up. However, if they do, I will honestly tell them that I can't agree with that part of their behavior. I'll remind them about many of the other things that are part of who they are, things that I genuinely admire and appreciate about them. Most times, we simply don't discuss that subject.
Insults are -always- inappropriate. Character slurs are -always- inappropriate. However, when the subject of homosexual behavior comes up, agreeing with Scripture that it is a sin is not necessarily "homophobia."
I'm not afraid of anybody. I don't hate anybody.
However, like lying and stealing and adultery and arrogance... homosexuality is a sin.
I am commanded, by the Bible, to disagree with homosexual behavior. I can't honestly call myself a Christian if I don't obey Scripture.
Disagreement is -not- automatically hate. Sometimes, sadly, it is. But not always.
It -is- possible to love a sinner while hating their behavior. Unfortunately, many people fail to achieve that, and, as you say, fall into the sin of hating both. When that happens, it is a tragic distortion of the principle.
Assuming that anyone is being hateful, when they call homosexuality "a sin" is inaccurate. That assumption is just as judgmental and intolerant toward the objector as you're accusing the objector of being toward homosexuals.
Talk to them. Find out if they're really homophobic, or if they simply find that behavior objectionable -- and don't have any other problem with the people who practice it.
I can, and do, have compassion for many people who are caught in all manner of sins. I treat every one of them kindly and with respect. However, if the subject of their sins comes up, I won't pretend that a sin is anything other than a sin.
I understand that you'll probably disagree with me. That's expected. I simply write to offer an alternative perspective. I hope that, perhaps, it will encourage you to be less limited in your thinking.
p.s: But what do you think, when I say I'm a trans man, and also a gay? I'm a sinner as well, aren't I?
Because the Bible pretty clearly teaches that not everyone is a child of God--John 8:44, Galatians 3:26, Romans 8:12-17, etc.
My theory on gays is
If you love someone, same sex or not, and they return your love, then you should be together. No matter what others say.
There are at least two quotes in the Bible (NT) that tell you not to tolerate or even accept EVERYTHING. You are neither supposed to embrace the sin nor the sinner. Why should you?!
No human is perfect, or without sin, nobody knows everything. That is why people are not meant to condemn someone (this is God's job - just like deciding who IS a Christian and who isn't) but we are ordered to judge. Actually, we all do so every day many times instinctively to protect our lives from harm. In this case we should do it to spiritually protect ourselves - the minds first and by doing so, our souls.
Where does the Bible tell you to love the sinner? You should practice altruism and be charitable. Perfection wasn't the criteria, if it was, no-one would be dealing with anyone anymore. That does not mean we should have relations to everyone. There are at least two quotes who tell you not to. These are the most famous, I guess: 2 Timothy 3:1 - 9 and Ephesians 5:11. But there is also Romans 1:28 - 32 and 1 Corinthians 5:9. And I am quite sure there are more.
Jesus released the adulterous woman with "I do not condemn you, either." But He also said. " Go. From now on sin no more." Which means - for all of us! - to stop doing what is wrong, and sometimes to completely change one's life. Making excuses you are not doing people with an unholy lifestyle a favour since you convey a false feeling of securement - doing drugs, doing ganster, binge drinking, violence, gambling, whoring ect. are plain wrong and not tolerable. You may have the best of intentions but instead of helping them you drive them deeper into their misery. And apart from the religious (the body containing the soul is holy and not to be polluted or damaged) and moral point of view these things are hazardous not only to these people's lifes but also to those of their social surrounding. And probably to you, too. Don't forget:
1 Corinthians 15:33
Don't be fooled by those who say such things, for "bad company corrupts good character."
Greetings and all the best from InsanelyCute
PS: Sorry for the late answer. My pc is crap.
honestly though, what is up with the skewed Christian values these days? you'd think we'd all be on the same page.
then this guy says' don't call yourself a Christian' because what? we actually FOLLOW the bible? utter nonsense..
Well, if you believe in God, why don't you believe in what he says? also, we're all sinners, of course we're "no better" then anyone else. And we're also commended to rebuke our brother.
it is because I love them that I speak against it.
'Open rebuke is better than secret love' Proverbs 27:5
'He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.' Proverbs 28:23
'You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall in any wise rebuke your neighbor, and not suffer sin on him.' Leviticus 19:17
'He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him betimes.' Proverbs 13:24
'For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights' Proverbs 3:12
I hate no one, (I don't know if I have it in my heart to truly hate anyone) I suppose the term 'love the sinner, hate the sin' could be applied here. but, I won't be silenced from speaking the Lords Word, nor spreading the gospel.
(and in relation to your other comment, we're all sinners. I love God and therefor I love his Word)